Good Heavens! The Human Side of Astronomy

Program Note:

Daniel misspoke about the Tycho and Kepler supernovae. They were not the last to be seen in the universe but the last two supernovae to be seen in the Milky Way galaxy.

 

A great deal of time, effort, and tax dollars have been spent to explore the heavens. But even after all the expenditures, secular astronomy and cosmology are still unable to say what it all means. Some have suggested the universe doesn't mean anything, that it just is. Others say we can make up our own meaning.

But we here at Good Heavens! believe the universe exists for one main purpose, to declare the glory and the righteousness of God, to display His handiwork and remind us of His many invisible attributes (Psalm 19; 50.6; Romans 1.18ff; Colossians 1.16ff).

Here on this episode we sit down with Christian and astrophysicist Dr. Jeff Zweerink and get his thoughts about how he sees the universe pointing him to the glory of God.

Astrophysicist Jeff Zweerink is a former senior research scholar at Reasons to Believe (RTB). He earned a BS in physics and a PhD in astrophysics from Iowa State University with a focus on gamma rays. He taught at and ran the planetarium at Loras College in Dubuque, Iowa, until postdoctoral research in gamma rays led him to the University of California, Riverside.

Jeff spent years working on the STACEE and VERITAS gamma-ray telescopes and was involved in research projects such as the Solar Two project and the Whipple Collaboration. He continues to work as a project scientist at UCLA on GAPS, a balloon experiment seeking to detect dark matter. Zweerink is also a coauthor of more than 30 academic papers published in peer-reviewed journals such as Astrophysical Journal, Astroparticle Physics, and Astrobiology.

While an undergrad at Iowa State University, he heard astrophysicist and RTB founder Hugh Ross speak on the constructive integration of science and the Christian faith. Ten years later, a professor encouraged Zweerink to enroll in RTB’s volunteer apologists program. This involvement eventually led to a scholar position in 2005.

Today, Zweerink writes and speaks on the compatibility of science and the Christian faith and on evidence for intentional design from multiverse theory and exoplanets, as well as artificial intelligence (AI). His speaking engagements take him to universities, conferences, churches, high schools, youth groups, and other venues around the world. His books include Is There Life Out There?, Who’s Afraid of the Multiverse?, Escaping the Beginning?, and Building Bridges (coauthor). He has also made many media appearances on television, radio, and in print.

Zweerink and his wife, Lisa, live in Southern California and have five children.

Image credit (Helix Nebula): NASA/JPL-Caltech, Spitzer Space Telescope.

Two-part episode with cosmologist Dr. Luke Barnes on C.S. Lewis' science fiction.
Part 1:  https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/jwalker55293/episodes/2026-06-28T22_00_00-07_00

Part 2: https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/jwalker55293/episodes/2026-07-05T22_00_00-07_00

Watchman Fellowship Resources on the Question of Aliens, UFOs, and UAPs:

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Raelians
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Podcast Episodes on UFOs, Aliens, and Extraterrestrials
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What is the Message of Spielberg’s Disclosure Day?
UFOS and Aliens
Ufologist Gary Bates Part One
Ufologist Gary Bates Part Two
Ancient Aliens? No.
Daniel’s interview with Sasha Sagan, the daughter of the late planetary astronomer Carl Sagan

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Venus is the morning and evening star, often mistaken for a plane or UFO. Named after the Greco-Roman goddess of love, Venus is anything but hospitable to human life. Tornado-like windspeeds in the upper atmosphere, a crushingly suffocating and poisonous atmosphere, a harsh, volcano-covered surface, all make us marvel and wonder. What exactly is Venus?

Here on this month's Good Heavens! episode Wayne and Dan ponder aloud the mysteries and wonders of the second planet from the sun and how they think Venus points us to the glory of God in Christ.

Thumbnail image from NASA:

Radar Observations of Venus

"This hemispheric view of Venus was created using radar observations, including images from NASA's Magellan spacecraft. Magellan imaged more than 98% of Venus. Gaps in the Magellan coverage were filled with images from the Earth-based Arecibo radar. The composite image was processed to improve contrast and to emphasize small features, and was color-coded to represent elevation. Magellan launched on May 4, 1989, and was deployed from the cargo bay of Space Shuttle Atlantis on May 5, 1989. The spacecraft orbited Venus from Aug. 10, 1990, until Oct. 13, 1994 when the spacecraft was commanded to plunge into the atmosphere of Venus."

Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/USGS

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Mountain peaks and summits make for excellent platforms for observing the glory of God. How might the summit of the dormant volcano of Mauna Kea in Hawaii, with its thirteen active telescopes operated by 11 different countries, point us to the glory of God and what God has done for us in Jesus?

Thumbnail image: The James Clerk Maxwell Telescope atop Mauna Kea, Hawaii. The telescope is operated by the East Asian Observatory https://www.eaobservatory.org/jcmt/public/gallery/images/

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This month, Wayne and Dan go to the moon (sort of)! We talk about the historic Artemis II mission, discuss some scientific mysteries about the moon, read some moon poetry and scripture which mentions the moon. We also, hopefully, make sense of how we see the moon pointing us to the glory of God in Christ.

Image credits in the thumbnail. Moon and Earth - Artemis II crew and NASA. Astronaut cake topper, Jennifer Blevins.

Links n things we mentioned in the broadcast.

NASA Press Conference Artemis II
https://www.youtube.com/live/_43Ei9eQVww

Dan's recent article on the moon.
https://watchmanblog.substack.com/p/the-discarded-timepiece

Artemis II photographs of the moon and earth
https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-multimedia/

Dan's full interview with Apollo 16 astronaut Charlie Duke from April 2022.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmGsoZklgcs

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Come and see!

Yet another discovery courtesy of the James Webb Space Telescope, something over which astronomers are presently puzzling!

A star? A quasar? A galaxy? It's not something that astronomers have ever seen before.  Like the Platypus, these objects are hard to categorize. How does this latest curious heavenly object remind us of the One who created them?

Wayne and Dan have some ideas! Join us!

Wayne's article on the Platypus
Accessible YouTube video on the Platypus Galaxies

 

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Recently, cosmologist Dr. Sean Carroll suggested that the amount of galaxies in our universe is not something we would expect if God created the universe.

But how does Dr. Carroll know what we should expect a God-created universe to look like? That's a question we explore on this month's episode of Good Heavens! Come and see!

The thumbnail image of this month's episode is an enormous field of galaxies, thousands of them, released by NASA and the ESA last April. You can read more about this stunning image here. With the exception of the orbs of light with diffraction spikes (stars in our own Milky Way galaxy) every dot of light is a galaxy with tens or hundreds of billions of stars! (Psalm 19:1-6; Isaiah 40:26; Gen. 1:14-16).

Watch the Alex O'Connor and Sean Carroll in conversation on YouTube.+

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What do meerkats and comets have in common? Well, besides both being created by God, which is no small thing, you'll have to just listen to this month's episode of Good Heavens! to find out the answer! If we told you everything in the show notes, you might not end up listening!

This month, Wayne and Dan give some updates on the science of interstellar comet 3i-ATLAS, talk about meerkats, stars, and a fantastic new discovery announced in December of last year that has astronomers' heads spinning!

Come and see!

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We have another interstellar visitor in the solar system, something truly out of this (particular) world!

Is it an alien spacecraft? Is it a comet? A sign of the end of the world? An asteroid? Demons just messing with us?  What's All the Gas About?

Here on this episode of Good Heavens! we cut through all the viral hype and make some biblical sense of this wondrous interstellar object. Come and see!

NASA fast facts on this mysterious object:

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/comets/3i-atlas/

Thumbnail image credit: NASA

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This is Mark and Rita's first-ever podcast interview! The Schrocks are fellow Christians and engineer specialists at NASA's Mission Control in Houston, Texas and share with us what working at Mission Control is like. We talk about everything from landing on the moon, to Space Shuttle missions and even what they think of aliens!

And of course, we talk about how we believe it all points to the glory of God. Human space exploration is good, but it isn't safe.

Mark is the chief design engineer behind the Space Shuttle's Rendezvous Pitch Maneuver which was first performed on STS-114, the first shuttle mission after the tragic loss of Columbia in February of 2003.

Twenty-one shuttle missions performed Mark's RPM.

• Discovery: STS-114, STS-121, STS-116, STS-120, STS-124, STS-119, STS-128, STS-131, STS-133

• Atlantis: STS-115, STS-117, STS-122, STS-129, STS-132, STS-135

• Endeavor: STS-118, STS-123, STS-126,  STS-127, STS-130, STS-134.

Dan's full interview with Charlie Duke.

Sound clips from Mission Control: NASA/Johnson Space Center.

Reading of Psalm 19 at the beginning is Apollo 16 astronaut and CAPCOM of Apollo 11 Charlie Duke.

Thumbnail image: Mark and Rita Schrock. If you zoom in, you can find Rita standing center in a black shirt and khakis. Mark is standing directly left, to Rita's right. Astronauts at the International Space Station took the autographed picture of the Mission Control Visiting Vehicle Officer group to space and hung it on a window with Earth hanging silently in the background.

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How does a short passage in Mark chapter 2 point to Jesus as Lord and God? And what might Jesus' healing of the paralytic say about the nature of the universe and our place within it? Can we trust Mark's account as real history?

This is a short audio essay examines these questions in greater detail and hopefully provides us with some encouragement not to be discouraged in times when God seems silent.

Thumbnail photo credit: NASA, ESA, CSA, and STScI, A. Pagan (STScI)). This is Pismis 24, a small star cluster in the constellation Scorpius, the Scorpion. The "small" mountain peak is over five light years in height - with a single light year being close to 6 trillion miles. That is a rather tall peak.

The very One who came under our roof decorated this and all the other wondrous entities in the vaulted roof of the heavens. He who names and numbers all the stars also heals our broken hearts and binds up our wounds (Psalm 147).

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Atheists have often claimed that the Bible makes no scientific predictions and therefore cannot be a valid source of knowledge about the universe.

But this is simply unfounded. First, modern science as we understand it today did not exist thousands of years ago. To demand that our modern expectations should be imposed upon the text of Scripture is anachronistic eisegesis. It is our imposing our expectations and understanding into the texts of the Bible.

But second, Psalm 19, written by King David some 3,000 years ago, tells us that the heavens are continually pouring forth speech and knowledge, day after day and night after night.

Nowhere is this pouring forth more clearly demonstrated today than in the latest ground-based Simonyi Survey Telescope perched high atop the peak of El Peñón at an elevation of 8,799 feet. It is the main eye to the sky of the newly operational Vera C. Rubin Observatory in north central Chile.

This technological marvel pulls down 20 terabytes of data, every night! Ten times the storage capacity size of most new computer hard drives or smart phones. Over the course of its proposed ten-year survey of the southern hemisphere, astronomers hope to collect some 500 petabytes of data in total! One petabyte is 1,000 terabytes.

You can see more wonders and find out more about the telescope at the observatory's main website. https://rubinobservatory.org

The image on this month's thumbnail comes from the observatory website.

Wayne has written a companion article on the telescope and observatory. You can find that here. https://creationanswers.net/answersblog/2025/09/01/so-much-more-the-vera-rubin-telescope/

Other related links:

https://www.astronomy.com/science/first-ever-images-released-by-the-vera-c-rubin-observatory/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_mSAqw_DBY

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How does philosophy inform modern physics? And how do physicists incorporate philosophy into their research?

On this episode, we dive into those questions with philosopher Dr. Timothy McGrew and astrophysicist Dr. Luke Barnes in order to help you fine tune your thinking about the fine tuning of the universe.

Critics of the fine-tuning argument will often invoke probabilities in order to get around the argument's deeper implication of the existence of God.

Tim and Luke will explore some of the issues in probability theory as it informs the physics of the fine-tuning argument.

Dr. Timothy McGrew
https://timothymcgrew.com/

Timothy McGrew is Professor of Philosophy at Western Michigan University, where he has taught for the past 25 years. His research interests include formal epistemology, the history and philosophy of science, and the history and philosophy of religion. When he is not doing philosophy, he enjoys playing chess online, coaching at his local chess club, running trails, and making high quality paper airplanes. He lives in SW Michigan with his wife, Lydia McGrew, and their daughters.

Dr. Luke Barnes.
https://letterstonature.wordpress.com/luke/

Dr Luke A. Barnes is a Senior Lecturer in Physics at Western Sydney University. With a PhD in astronomy from the University of Cambridge, he has published papers in the field of galaxy formation and on the fine-tuning of the Universe for life. He is the coauthor with Prof. Geraint Lewis of A Fortunate Universe: Life in a Finely-Tuned Cosmos and The Cosmic Revolutionary's Handbook: (Or: How to Beat the Big Bang), published by Cambridge University Press.

Free Articles from Watchman Fellowship

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The brand new Vera Rubin Observatory recently opened its 28-foot diameter mirror and snapped a few stunning images that astronomers displayed to the public for the first time in June.

You can explore the amazing imagery of the heavens at the observatory's website at this site: 
https://rubinobservatory.org/news/first-imagery-rubin

Why so many stars? Why is the universe so immensely enormous, beyond our comprehension? What is the universe saying to us?

There would be no science of the heavens if the universe was not speaking to us. But what is it saying? And who are we among all these stars? Why are we here to see such wonders?

We here at Good Heavens! think it is all because God created us to be here, for such a time as this. He has numbered and named all the stars and knows our names too. And just like He did with stars, God has numbered all the hairs of our head, too, even though we might not be able to see every follicle ourselves.

The heavens and our human frames all are fearfully and wonderfully made and attest to God's glory.

We continue our conversation with author Seth Lewis about his lovely little book The Language of Rivers and Stars - How Nature Speaks of the Glories of God. Come and see!

For more about Seth, go to this site: 
https://sethlewis.ie/2025/04/30/the-language-of-rivers-and-stars/

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Despite how secular most disciplines in the physical sciences are today, those who study nature assume that nature is intelligible and that it should be explored. But how does modern science actually explain what nature is saying to us? How do the explain that nature is intelligible to us at all? Is science the only way to understand the physical universe and everything it contains?

From silvery meandering rivers to the variegated heavenly canopy of stars above us, all creation is speaking to us, but in the words of the late Dr. Carl Sagan, "Who speaks for Earth?"

God does. And creation is His workmanship. He has revealed to us His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine glory, through what He has made. He has given us two books to know Him better, creation and the Bible. We should be diligent students of both.

On the next two episodes of Good Heavens this month, we speak with someone who has exegeted the physical creation with great care and attention. His name is Seth Lewis and he is the author of a brilliant little book The Language of Rivers and Stars - How Nature Speaks of the Glories of God.

Seth will share with us his insights and wisdom as to how he sees all of creation pointing us, drawing us, toward Christ.

You can find out more about Seth and his work on his website:
https://sethlewis.ie/2025/04/30/the-language-of-rivers-and-stars/

Here on part one we talk about how we can respond to God through creation and how we can sustain hope through the midst of the terrifying reality of natural disasters.

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The Bible tells us that we can see and understand "God's invisible attributes" through what He has created. And this is precisely what former atheist Michael Ray Lewis discovered as he spent three years examining the evidence for Christianity. One of the most impressive arguments he encountered during his time of searching was that of the fine tuning of the universe.

Jesus eventually got hold of Michael and not long thereafter his wife encouraged him to make a documentary about the evidence he had uncovered for Christianity.

Here on part two of our conversation with filmmaker Michael Ray Lewis, we'll hear the story of how the idea of the film, Universe Designed, became a reality.

For more info on the Universe Designed film, click here:
https://universedesigned.com/

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